Have you read Ernie Zelinsky’s How to Retire Happy, Wild, and Free. I really like it because he challenges traditional retirement. Most people only think of retirement as the end of a journey. We feel useful when we work and retirement means the end of that usefulness. However, retirement doesn’t have to be that way. Ernie encourages us to think of retirement as an opportunity to find yourself and rekindle your zest for life.
Early in the book, Ernie asks – what would you want to do if work was abolished in this world? That’s a bit extreme so let’s modify it a bit. Work won’t be abolished so let’s take the primary motivation away. My question – what would you do if you don’t need to work for money? Would you keep working in the same job/career? Think about this. The answer will tell you whether or not you’re in the right place.
*This post was originally written in 2013. Updated in 2020.
What would I do?
If you asked me that question 12 years ago, I wouldn’t have a good answer for you. Sure, I knew that I didn’t want to be a computer engineer forever. However, I didn’t really know what I would do for the rest of my life if I quit my job at 35.
Fast forward to 2020. Now that I’ve been a SAHD/blogger for 8 years, I have a much better idea. I am having the best time of my life. Would I keep doing this if money isn’t a problem?
The answer is a big YES! I love being a SAHD (for the most part.) It’s great to spend time with RB40Jr and we have a lot of fun together. Sure, we butt heads sometimes, but that’s natural. Everybody fights a bit when they spend a lot of time together. It’s a privilege to be able to raise our son so closely. Most dads never have the chance to do this. I really appreciate my good fortune. My son loves having a parent at home too.
As for blogging, I probably would continue doing this even if it doesn’t make any money. It’s good for me to put my thoughts down and it keeps my brain active. I can’t imagine retiring early to a life of leisure. At this age (46), I still need some challenges. However, it is a lot of work to write 3 times per week and I’d probably cut back a little. Overall, I really enjoy what I do right now and I’m very grateful for it.
Future
Of course, life keeps changing and we all have to adapt. When I wrote this post in 2013, our son was just 2 years old. I spent 90% of my time being a dad. Once he started school, life became much easier. I was able to spend more time blogging, running errands, and take personal time. 2020 is a tough year. School closed down in March and it won’t open until things improve. Being a SAHD is job 1 again this year. This is still much easier than when RB40Jr was little. He listens a lot better now and he’s a good kid.
Now, I write a new post for Monday and update an older post for Thursday. This pace is much easier and I can do this for several more years. Even when life goes back to normal, I’d probably keep this schedule. I want to make more videos for our YouTube channel and maybe try some other things.
Nonwork
Well, this is all nice and good if you don’t have to worry about money, but is it realistic? What if you’re not quite happy with your career, but you still need to generate some income to pay the bills? It will take time, but if you can get there. Here is a guideline.
- Save and invest as much as you can to start making some passive income. Even a little passive income will help tremendously if you decide to make a change.
- Explore the alternatives. Ask yourself, what you would like to do if money isn’t the primary concern. Everyone has different passions and interests. Every one of us has something to contribute. Spend some time exploring what you can do with your interest. I like blogging, personal finance, cooking/eating, traveling, photography, reading, and music. I was able to convert blogging into a little side hustle and it grew from there.
- Make a jump to doing something you enjoy. This is hard, but it’s not impossible. Over the last 8 years, I met many people who pulled it off so I know it is not impossible. You don’t have to follow the traditional work path.
The possibilities are endless – yoga teacher, personal coach, pet/house sitter, freelance writer, e-commerce entrepreneur, YouTuber, blogger, and more. These are just a few of the people I met. There is a whole world of possibilities out there and you just need to go outside of the box to find it.
What about you? If you don’t have to work for money, what would you do?
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I’m going to be of retirement age very soon. But I don’t want to change my life at all and will continue to work.
Of course, now I can spend more time on vacation and I am not chasing money. I am satisfied with how much I earn and even have time for blogging.
You have a good point of view on life, I hope this direction doesn’t change in the future. Good luck to you!
I managed to earn enough money through property at the age of 26 now at 32 I have enjoyed 6 years of being f.i. I saved and saved enough so I could purchase a house of multiple occupation. I did a refurbishment myself and refinanced the property in order to be able to do another and so on. I now have 5 properties earning more income than when I was a carpenter. Now I can do as I please whilst bringing up my 2 year old daughter. I have built a house in this time learning more building skillls. I also have started to learn spanish and am learning to play the guitar. I look forward to travelling in the future. People who say to me don’t you get bored. No way how can I possibly get bored with all life has to offer!
I think the crux of your post and its answer for everyone else, lies in the opening statement itself. Primary Motivation. Work = Money = Primary Motivation? I disagree.
I’d still continue to work. And for some money too. Beyond a point (house, food, basics), money is a scorecard. It gives you a high (cheap thrills). I like to see my bank balance growing. I dont sell my soul to make it, so it gives me pride too.
Beyond money; work brings semblance to life. We all need to tell ourselves, ‘you did a good job’ to stay sane. It gives a sense of achievement.
Finally it also gives balance. being with wife/kid all day OR in the pool OR binge-watch etc can be mentally eroding. I need different type of stimulations to maintain sanity. Working (despite its pressures) brings another colour to life’s palette.
If I have all the money in the world and didn’t need to work for money, I would like to:
(1) Spend more time on my financial blog to get it to the best personal finance blog in the world;
(2) Travel the world and cross off countries on my list to visit;
(3) Work for a non-profit organization to do some good.
I would still work. Just less and not at all for anyone else. I’m a software developer and I’ve been dabbling in writing iPhone apps off and on for a few years. I’d likely do that and some other side projects.
The most important thing is that I could work on exactly what I want.
I’ve been imagining what retirement would look like for some years, and the Covid-19 shutdown has provided an opportunity to try some things out. I am working to make my days look more like I imagine they would in retirement. More exercise, more time for family, still working. Keeping an eye on my investments.
That’s a great plan. I hope you will get there soon.
Working is great when you’re self-employed and money isn’t a huge factor. It’s a big difference from working in a corporation.
Honestly a lot wouldn’t change. I would still be raising the kids. We probably direct even more time for travel, golf and skiing. Maybe volunteer more. Beyond that, we would most likely still be doing much the same.
That’s great! It means your life is already close to perfect. Enjoy it!
The pandemic has given me a great look into what I would want to (and what I could be) doing without being tied to an office job all day long. It’s really lit the fire in me to pursue FIRE harder than before (no pun intended!)
My wife is realizing that too. She enjoys working from home a lot more than going into the office.
Good luck!
I like the refreshed posts. I should get on a similar schedule.
Like you, my kids are fortunate that they always have a dad around. My 6-year-old didn’t know that I did work or that I had a job at all. I guess having a few side hustles that add up to a job works pretty well in that respect.
You should tell them you’re working when you write. Tell them to entertain themselves for a while. 🙂
This question, like so much else, has taken on an entirely different perspective given the events of the last six months. We were looking forward to travel and spending time with family (or both concurrently! our nephews will be 14 and 11 when we retire, and their teacher parents have a month or two off every summer). But full-time telecommuting and 24/7 hanging out with my wife, coupled with the impossibility of responsibly going much of anywhere, have reshaped my views of the entire landscape.
I’d do what I do now — just more of it! Running eleven or twelve miles a week would crank up to fifteen or twenty miles a week plus a few hours of cycling. Dinners from scratch would grow to include lunches as well, rather than whatever sandwich I can prepare between working hours. My lackadaisical piano practice would get laser-focused without daytime hours wasted in front of screens trying to make money. And maybe, if I weren’t limited to rain-free weekends, I’d finally get the front porch painted. 😛
Sounds like a great plan. You already have many of the details planned out. Good luck!
It’s funny, when I first heard about FIRE, I didn’t really latch on to the “Retire Early’ part because I love my job. I’m naturally frugal so was intrigued by the FI part and kind of stumbled into it without trying. Now that I am at FI, I am thinking about leaving traditional employment at some point and becoming a meditation teacher. For now I would still say “what I am currently doing” which is such a blessing, but it’s nice to have options if things change!
In a post-employment life, each day I would spend 3 hours in the gym or outdoors exercising and 5 hours reading books.
That’s all. And nothing more. Just doing things I love.
Wow, that’s impressive.
Interesting that this was originally written 7 years ago when I semi-retired (early 40s). I traveled for a few months but cut it short because I had two young kids to raise. I tried independent consulting—more fun than a full time job but kept me apart from the kids all day.
I tried real estate investing which has secured my real retirement and shortened number of hours worked. I work almost exclusively from home.
Now I spend 10 to 20 hours per week managing my investments. The rest is raising the kids. Not sure what I really want to do once I have true freedom when the kids are grown.
I love travel but fear my age is catching up. I see friends with health problems and their sense of adventure diminish. My wife no longer wishes to do some of the more adventurous vacations. Age affects us all differently but don’t discount the effect of slowing down mentally.
There is not enough time to visit all the places I want to go even if I lived to a ripe old age. Covid has further eaten into my “best” years.
That’s great. Real estate is a great way to fund your retirement. It’s proven.
If you can handle being a landlord, that is. 🙂
You guys can go for more relaxing trips, right? We’re less adventurous now too.
I am currently facing this decision, trying to decide if it’s the right time to quit my job. I work part-time for a cause I feel strongly about, but it’s stressful work and my schedule doesn’t mesh well with my husband’s. If I quit, we could probably survive just fine, but I don’t know what I would do with myself. I am planning to devote the next few months to considering this. Any books you can recommend on the subject would be appreciated. Thanks!
I’d just love to reach that point where it’s up to me completely to decide if I want to work or not. As for the things I would do, I think I would mostly engage in recreational activities and some part time work may be in order to keep myself occupied.
If I didn’t have to work for money, because I would have a plenty of them to support myself and my family, then I would probably stop working for a while and started traveling. After some time I would go back and worked on what I would feel like I want to do at that moment – starting a business of my dreams, investing, buying property, who knows what else. But whatever I would be doing, it would be because I wanted to do that and not because I had to do that.
Hmmm probably travelling around the world and writing about it.
you can always travel and it will be even for free, just google vacation for a cause or volunteer vacation, you can pick a location you want to go, and do some volunteer work, like clean up a beach in Asia, or if you like camping or trail, clean up or plant trees in the mountains of South America.
this is definitely what i am planning to do when i retire, you help and get free vacation.
Really? I thought you’d have to pay airfares for those volunteer trips. I’ll do some research. Thanks for the tips.
I remember the stories about Roman gladiators who saved their pennies from their victories to buy their freedom. I think this method still works for the modern day wage slave. The less you spend and the more you earn, the sooner your emancipation, it’s that simple. But don’t sacrifice your health to spend less and earn more. It’s a trap to eat cheap junk food and pile on the overtime while sleep deprived. That’s not the way, instead it’s (1) stop buying useless junk and (2) learn how to earn passive income, stuff that gains value or produces returns as you sleep. Neither of these steps is quick or easy for most people, just have to do the best you can.
In my case I hit FI awhile back and have vacillated about quitting. I applied for a buyout package that my employer offerred last year but was turned down because what I’m doing was deemed critical to the business. I could have walked out anyway even without the bonus payout but I chose to stay. I realize that what brings me to work is more than the paycheck, it’s the sense of being able to solve problems that others around me find very difficult or perhaps impossible. In short maybe it’s an ego thing. So for now I’m stuck doing what I’m good at.
The secret of life: vita est lavorum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AKvRvL5r3A
I didn’t think the gladiators get paid at all. From the movies, they just have to earn the freedom from their owner by goodwill.
Good point about getting to FI though. It sounds like you could benefit from a sabbatical to explore your passions.
Try reading Ernie’s book. It might help you out. Thanks for reading!
Seriously, I’d do exactly what I’m doing now. I buy rental properties, I run a blog, I do some freelance writing and digital marketing (social media/blog consulting). It’s pretty awesome. I don’t think I’d change a thing … though if I had an extra $100,000 in annual revenue, I’d hire more people so I could get rid of some of the more administrative work (invoicing, etc.)
Really? I wouldn’t be a landlord if I’m rich. It’s too much work. 🙂
I like what I do at work – tech dept in K-12, and have been able to continually change up what I actually work with there – programming, networking, web work, SANs, etc… – which has been very helpful, as I get bored doing the same thing day after day, year after year. They were trying to get me into management recently… no way Jose, not a direction I want to go in, thank you.
I have a side business as well where I can do what I want if they don’t want me doing it at work, so that’s been helpful as well, and made a little money.
But if I didn’t have to work for money, I probably wouldn’t be at at the school district.
I’d open an online brownie shop – heck, if I don’t have to make money, somebody’s still gotta eat those brownies 🙂
Had a guy at my previous job that had a unique and, I think, good strategy for how he went about it. He was a programmer consultant. He’d get a project that would normally take a year to do. He’d work his butt off to finish it in 6 months. Then would take 6 months off – a couple months to take the family travelling over summer, and then four months spent in more tech/business learning and also in getting that next big project for the next year. He charged double what the inhouse programmers made, and then did it in half the time.
If you’re looking to put your engineering skills to use in that microbusiness, maybe we can partner as businesses in the future. I’ve been trying to find wireless sprinkler valves for years, and the only place I’ve found them is http://www.remconix.co.za/
He’s in South Africa and doesn’t have a distributor in the US, so can’t/won’t sell to me.
If I can find somebody who can design/build the wireless device to go on the sprinkler valve side, powered by a battery for up to a year, with a little bit of memory to hold on to a schedule for run times, then I can probably write the app to manage the schedule from a PC/web/mobile device. This would be if it’s WiFi. The other option might be to have it just be RF, and just local. A few more details – but you probably get the gist of it. I wouldn’t suggest setting up a test environment inside your place though, at least not with Mrs. RB40 around, or she may be going on that trip around the world instead of you.
I might also try doing work on sites like http://www.elance.com, etc… if I didn’t need the money to pay bills. Hard to compete at the prices some in other countries charge, but it seems to be getting a little better as an option.
I’d probably also foster a couple pooches.
Although I was watching a series called Animal Hoarders on Netflix recently. I don’t want to go that crazy – one lady had something like 250 cats.
I have no interest in becoming the next CatManDooDoo.
But 3 or 4 pooches I could probably handle.
It sounds like you are having a great time. I should have just said no to management right from the beginning. I didn’t know it was going to be such a pain though.
I don’t like that guy’s unique method. That’s too much work in 6 months. Does he get to see his family at all during that time?
At this point, I’m done with engineering. I want to try different things and see if I like them better. Engineering was fun, but I’ve had enough for now. Good luck!
Well I have already quit my regular job and now I am enjoying my time with my family along with blogging. I am also trying to find alternatives for income which can suffice my monthly budget needs. Would also love to travel around the world and have some great experience
Wow, that’s great. Enjoy your time with your family.
I’d definitely like to volunteer, travel the world, spend more time with family…maybe all three combined! I’d probably want to start a business too…but that sounds too much like work. I don’t know…the options are limitless and I haven’t put much thought into it as it doesn’t seem likely in the near future. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be at the day job though…that’s for sure.
I would like to volunteer in a less developed country for a while. Peace Corp. is an option, but not sure if I can handle it when I’m 55… Good luck!
I think I would try to teach. Whether it would be in the technology arena or through my local church I’m not sure, but I enjoy teaching when I get the chance now, so I can only imaging that it would be more fun if I had way more time to prepare and no paycheck consequences to worry about.
That sounds good. I’m a terrible teacher. I’m not very patient and I have the tendency to tell the students what to do…
Oh yeah I also would like to teach, apart from traveling and blogging.
My biggest problem is there is so much I want to do that I’d have trouble narrowing it down. But for sure, once Pretired Baby goes off to school I’ll have some additional time on my hands so I’ll also do either part-time work of some sort or start some sort of business. Or not — who knows? (:
You still have 4 years to figure it out. No hurry. 🙂
I would have slept later today if I didn’t have to go to work this morning.
I would like to learn things just for fun. Languages classes then immerse myself in the language by visiting the country it is spoken in. Classes in how to write fiction and start on that novel idea that is in the back of my mind.
I’m going to sleep later and getting up later now that I don’t have to go to work. 🙂 I like it much better than getting up so early.
I would love to take some photography and maybe a painting class.
I am nowhere close to making blogging into a career but i would definitely more of writing. I have always dreamed about backpacking my way across the globe, trying (eating and cooking) new food, meeting new people and then sit by a beach and write away my experiences. I hope that over the next few years I am able to generate a healthy passive income stream which will allow me to do it 🙂
I would love to go backpacking again. An around the world trip is a big dream of mine. Perhaps when our kid goes off to college. I’d have to convince Mrs. RB40 to go though. She likes the comfort of home. (Or maybe she’ll let me go for a year…)
Ha ha! I wanna do it before I meet my better half. I wanna backpack absolutely empty and soak in everything that i come across the way as an individual. But i agree, backpacking remains a goal that I need to achieve sooner than later. Wish you also get to go around the globe with Mrs. RB40 🙂
It’s a lot easier when you’re going by yourself. With two people, it’s too much of a democracy. 🙂
I would be a full time anthropologist. I would incorporate traveling the world changing other peoples worlds into that. For instance I would build a school for girls in Afghanistan and Uganda.I know this is the reality for some, I’m just trying to figure out how to best make it my reality.
That’s a great plan. I have read about a few people who are doing that and it’s tough. Good luck!
I’d like to get more involved in my Church community, and take my Wife travelling as she hasn’t been able to travel as much as I did before we got married. We’d like to have kids so spending lots of time with them, like getting involved in sports teams… that would be great.
Sports team… I don’t know. I guess we’ll see if our kid is any good at a sport. I was terrible so I’m not holding out much hope for him.
I’ve posed this question to myself way too many times! If money were absolutely not a concern, there is a 0% chance I would continue on with my current job. Nope, instead I’d focus my time on living as healthy as possible, traveling the world, getting in tune with nature (camping, getting outdoors more, etc), and spending more quality time with family/friends. If I felt the need to be “productive” then I’d challenge myself by learning some new skills that I felt were worthwhile and enjoyable to undertake.
That sounds great. I would also try to spend more quality time with friends and family. They are all busy with work though. 🙂
Traveling more sounds good too.
If we’d live in a society where nobody would have to work, I think I’d do pretty OK raising chickens and growing potatoes and spending my entire day on the porch. If I had the millions to be able not to work a single day in my life, I’d probably live a life of traveling around the world. But like you said you would’ve been 5 years ago, I don’t really know how I would feel if I didn’t have to work anymore… and I don’t want to get dreamy about this because I really have to focus on working and make sure that when retirement comes, I can enjoy it!
That sounds like fun. I wouldn’t mind a few chickens and a little garden. I don’t want to spend all my time weeding though.
Spend more time on what I love doing. I will also have more time to learn new things and write about them.
I’d volunteer and find something that I love to do. I’d also teach yoga to stay in touch and work part-time!
I like practicing yoga, but I’m not sure if I’m good enough to teach though.
If I didn’t have to work for money, I would definitely still be doing most of my side hustles. Would I be doing my day job? NOPE!
Side hustles are a lot of fun, aren’t they? 🙂
I would plan to spend more time on learning Korean and Chinese. Maybe spend 1 to 2 hours a day on Ruby on Rails (the framework that powers Twitter and Groupon) M-F, then spend Saturdays on Android apps and adding stuff to a virtual world. Then take a day off completely and do nothing but enjoyable things to me-like reading or writing!
I’m terrible with languages. I would love to spend a few months in Korea and then learn in an immersive environment.
Ruby on Rails? I have no idea what that is. Sounds like a great plan overall.
Ruby on Rails=Ruby programming language with some relational databasing. Like associating a blog post with a particular user. For the most part, learning foreign languages is an interest (could be a worse hobby I guess).
I daydream about this too often.
The short answer is that I would do whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted.
If retirement happened today, I would spend more time with the little ones at home, more time reading, and more time losing twenty-five pounds!
I’d also become a regular somewhere, doesn’t matter where. Just somewhere where everyone would know my name.
I need to lose a couple of pounds too. I just have time to exercise right now.
That’s interesting about being a regular.
Interesting question. Honestly, I don’t think I’d be doing what am currently doing right now so I suppose there are crucial changes to be made. So what would I be doing? Not completely sure but am thinking running my own business and helping as many people along the way ranks high up (haven’t completely figured it all out yet). Travelling more with family is something I’d want to do more of!
Personal coaching? Traveling is a lot of fun. We just need to figure out how to get paid for it.
I have been there for 28 years. It affects everything you do! I am able to pick what I like to do vs. what I have to do. It helps that I keep a relatively low profile lifestyle. I enjoy what I am doing for the most part. The only issues are budget cuts, overcrowding and lack of parental support. Many things I have no control over.
Ahh.. Sorry to hear about the issues. I can’t imagine low parental support, but I guess it’s hard for lower income families. No time.
Big reader of these books, and I read this one a couple years back. Really like this Ernie Zelinski’s book, but there are a few ‘flags’ in his story. For instance, he went on ‘extended vacation’ for six months and was surprised to learn he had been terminated? Something doesn’t really add up in his story; I believe in a follow-on book, he throws himself a ‘retirement party’ 25 years after leaving his job and invites his boss and co-workers (he loathes them, and didn’t stay in touch) to come. Seems like he was just sending a big “F U!” to them 25 years too late. Personally, I enjoy my grudges too and believe it is never too late to say “F U!” as long as you can get away with it.:-)
But the subject of this post (and partly of this book) is a great one, and one that has me stumped at the moment. I know what I don’t want to do (blog, work for someone else, travel, volunteer, etc.). This is a problem for me; the absence of ‘bad’ does not equal ‘good’. I do stay busy and constructive, but my ‘to do’ list is finite. Meanwhile, I continue to enjoy RB40’s work, will continue to follow in hopes of inspiration, and wish you continued success, Joe!
Heh heh, that’s pretty funny about the retirement party. I don’t know how to contact my boss and co-workers and it’s only been a year. I’m only about a third of the way through the book.
Good luck finding something worth while to do. I will be looking as well.
Teach, learn languages, travel, volunteer a whole lot.
I need to volunteer more…
The main thing that keeps me energized and interested in life is learning. So I’d take courses and teach myself new skills to stay vital into my ‘senior years.’ I’d also annoy my relatives by visiting more often. 🙂
That’s great. Taking some classes sounds like a great idea. I’ll definitely take more classes when I have more time.
I believe that we would still do some of the same things that we do now as we really enjoy running our own business. That said, I think we’d be much more entrepreneurial focused and do more things to give back to the community. We do some of that now, but it doesn’t always pay the bills, so we’re limited in it. We’d also love to be able to pick up and travel more as we really can work wherever we want.
I would like to give back more too. It’s tough right now because we’re still trying to pay the bills. Once we are more comfortable and have more time, we’ll figure something out.
I really like my job – So I’d probably continue working just where I’m at, although I’d probably try to reduce my hours. I’ve tried reducing my hours before, but that didn’t work out so well – I just kept working past when I said I would stop – money wasn’t the issue. I could use a sabbatical every once in a while though, and that’s my first goal when I “retire” – a sabbatical for a few months, then go back to what I am doing as a consultant (or full time depending on my boss 🙂 ) Honestly, I could ask my boss for an unpaid sabbatical and he’d probably give it to me, but we’re not at a point where I can just not get paid for more than a month.
It’s great that you like you job though. Hopefully at some point you can really cut down your hours. 🙂
Good luck! Sabbatical is a ton of fun.
“Save and invest as much as you can to start making some passive income.” That is precisely what we are working on, RB40! Great post too! The other stuff, we have down. I know how the hours of the day would pass: composing weird classical guitar pieces, fitness/hiking, reading great books, blogging. No-brainer for me. Looking forward to it and working feverishly toward it;)
Good luck! It sounds like you’ll have a great time once you get there.
I would honestly keep doing what I am doing. Be at home spending time with the family and maybe traveling more. I don’t see myself ever retiring completely and i really enjoy blogging and digital marketing so that is something I wouldn’t stop. I would however spend more time in real estate. The micro business ideas seems good as well.
Real estate? That’s such a big topic. Rental properties? Buy, fix it up, then sell? I’m not handy enough to do all that.
Being able to answer “what I am currently doing” to that question is likely the goal for everyone. Unfortunately, I can’t answer that way just yet. I honestly don’t know what I would do. I sometimes think music, but I get soured by the attitudes of many musicians. I also think travel, but I’m not sure how to get paid to travel just yet. So, I think, for me, it is doing a little of a lot of things. I tend to get somewhat ADD if I am only focused on one thing, so I think I would try to work on multiple micro-businesses.