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Our Unusual Early Retirement Withdrawal Strategy

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Early Retirement Withdrawal StrategyRetirement planning normally consists of two broad phases – accumulation and withdrawal. Early retirement is difficult to achieve because there is less time to build wealth and more time to use it up. For most people, the accumulation phase is the difficult part. Many families spend too much and don’t save enough. The median retirement savings of households near retirement age is just $17,000. That’s not going to work out well. For us, the accumulation phase has been relatively smooth. Our household income has been good and we live modestly. The withdrawal phase is more questionable because I will have 40+ years in retirement. Can our savings last that long? Today, we’ll take a look at our unusual early retirement withdrawal strategy and see how to make our retirement savings last.

*This post is a part of the Drawdown Strategy chain started by Physician on Fire and Fritz @ The Retirement Manifesto. You can see other bloggers’ retirement withdrawal strategy at the end of this post. Check them out.

Traditional Withdrawal Strategy

To clarify the concept, here is a graph of regular folk’s retirement savings. Normal people can save 15% and retire when they are 65. In the ideal case, their net worth and retirement savings should look something like this.

Retirement Withdrawal Strategy

Retirement is the natural inflection point because the earned income will cease and retirees will need to fund their cost of living with their savings.

Early Retirement Withdrawal

Early retirement is more difficult because the accumulation phase is shorter and the withdrawal phase is longer.

Early Retirement Savings

To retire early, you’d need to save more than 15% of your income. Saving and investing more will translate directly into how early you can retire. In this graph, we see the ideal case for an early retiree who stops working at 55. The real world is more complicated than this so you’d need to make your own graph. Basically, if your net worth is 25x your annual expense, then you probably can retire. That’s financial independence and it should work very well at 55 and older.

Joe’s Withdrawal Strategy

What if you can’t wait until 55? Here is an alternative that I’m pursuing. I added another phase into the traditional retirement planning model. We need to be more flexible because our time in retirement will be so long.

Extreme Early Retirement Withdrawal Strategy

Basically, I split retirement into early retirement (semi) and full retirement. I retired from my engineering career when I was 37 and this is early retirement for me. However, I still make some income from blogging. Now, there are 3 phases instead of 2.

  1. Accumulation phase – I worked full time and saved a sizable portion of my income.
  2. Holdfast phase – The beginning of this phase is when I quit my full time job. The goal in this phase is to avoid drawing down from our retirement accounts and minimize withdrawal from our taxable accounts. We can do this by having some passive and active income (blogging for me). Our net worth gain would slow way down because we won’t save much, but it should still grow slowly.
  3. Withdrawal phase – We’d go into the traditional withdrawal mode when we’re 65 and probably won’t earn much money.

Currently, we are at the first inflection point. I’m already early retired, but Mrs. RB40 is working full time. Our income still exceeds our expenses and we continue to save more than $50,000 per year. Once Mrs. RB40 retires, we will be 100% into the holdfast mode.

Investable Assets

Whew, we finally get to the withdrawal strategy. My drawdown strategy is spread over 2 phases – the hold fast and withdrawal phase. Let’s look at our investable assets to see the mechanic of the withdrawal process.

Retirement Savings

We’ll just look at the major categories and ignore the smaller ones in this post.

  • Taxable accounts – This is our dividend growth stock portfolio. We’re reinvesting the dividend now, but this income will help fund our early retirement.
  • Rental properties – Our rental properties are worth a lot, but they don’t generate that much income.
  • Tax Deferred – These are our 401k and traditional IRAs. We will try to avoid withdrawal until the withdrawal phase after 65. These are all invested in vanguard funds.
  • Tax Free – Our Roth IRAs. We will try to avoid withdrawal here too, but we could take some money out if we need to. These are also in vanguard funds.
  • Business – My online business. It’s not worth much, but the income is good at this time.
  • Other – P2P lending and real estate crowdfunding with RealtyShares.

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Holdfast Phase withdrawal plan

As I mentioned earlier, we’re still in the beginning of the holdfast phase. Currently, we reinvest all of our investment income, but this will change once Mrs. RB40 retires. Her target early retirement date is 2020, but she may leave earlier if the planets align.

Once Mrs. RB40 retires, then we’ll support our family with these sources of income. Currently we spend about $55,000 per year.

  • Online income – My online income is pretty good this year and it can pay 100% of our expenses. However, the blogging income is volatile and I can’t count on it to be steady or lasting 20 years. I’m pretty sure it can cover at least 60% of our expense for the next 5 years, though. We’ll just count 60% here.
  • Dividend income – Currently, we receive about $12,000 in dividend annually, but it is increasing every year. By the time Mrs. RB40 retires, our dividend income should cover about 25% of our expenses.
  • Rental income – This one is tough. In a good year, we make about $10,000 from our rentals. However, one big maintenance expenses can cut that in half or more. Also, we plan to move into one of our rentals. It will reduce our monthly expense, but also cut into our rental income. This one is too complicated to predict so I’ll just assume the rental income will cover about 10% of our expenses for now.
  • Other income – We have some income from crowdfunding and side hustles, but it’s insignificant at this time. Once Mrs. RB40 retires, we will try to increase this to 5% or our expenses. That’s about $2,500 annually so it should not be that difficult.

That adds up to 100%, but there are a lot of moving pieces here and we will need to be flexible to make it work. On good years, we will have extra money to save, but we might have to sell some stocks in the lean years.

Lean Years

For example, if we’re short about $10,000 in a lean year. Here are some things we could do.

  • Hustle a little more. I’m sure Mrs. RB40 could pick up some contract work. I could even pick up some seasonal work if we really need the money.
  • Cut back on expenses. We could vacation locally instead of visiting other countries. There are a lot of local attractions that we haven’t been to yet.
  • Withdraw from our retirement accounts. We could withdraw some money from our tax free pile. The Roth IRAs don’t have early withdrawal penalty when you withdraw the contributions.
  • Sell some dividend stocks. I prefer not to do this because it will reduce our future dividend income.

I’m sure we will be fine with any combination of the items above. Our tax free accounts shouldn’t be impacted much even if we withdraw $10,000 annually for a few years.

If we can holdfast like this for 20 years, then our retirement savings should continue to grow and we’ll have a very comfortable retirement ahead of us. We’ll also opportunistically roll over some of our tax deferred investment to our tax free pile over the years. This is call building the Roth IRA ladder. It will make future withdrawal easier.

Full Retirement Withdrawal

Full retirement is still 20 years off for us so there are a lot of uncertainties. We’ll just make some broad assumptions and go with that. Our asset mix will change over the years and this is what it could look like in 2038.

retirement assets

Here is how we’ll support ourselves when we’re 65.

  1. Social Security benefit – We’ll have some income from our Social Security benefit. It should cover a good portion of our expenses.
  2. Tax deferred accounts – Next, we’ll make annual withdrawal from our tax deferred accounts.
  3. Taxable accounts – If we need more income, then we’ll sell stocks from our taxable accounts.
  4. Tax free – We’ll leave this one alone.
  5. Primary residence and other assets – Leave this alone.
  6. Cash – We’ll maintain enough cash for one year of expenses.
  7. Pension – I have a very small pension from my old job. It might be enough for a nice meal out in 2038…

This drawdown phase is light on the detail because we have 20 years to get there. I don’t want to spend too much time on it because there will be a ton of changes over the next 2 decades. Our asset mix probably won’t look anything like this. This plan will firm up as we get closer to our full retirement date. Right now, we need to focus on our holdfast phase and make sure we get through it with minimal damage to our retirement savings.

No need to over plan

So that’s my withdrawal strategy. The additional holdfast phase suits me very well because I really enjoy working part time on my own projects. The extra income will help minimize withdrawal over the next 20 years and give us a big margin of safety when we’re 65. Our retirement investment will have time to grow if we can just holdfast for the next 20 years.

Lastly, I don’t think you need to worry much about the withdrawal strategy unless you’re close to retirement. If you’re in the accumulation phase, just focus on saving and investing as much as you can. I’m sure you’ll work out a withdrawal strategy after retirement. You’ll have a lot more time to do it then.

More Withdrawal Strategies

Here are more retirement strategies from the PF blogger community. Some of these are much more detailed than mine. Check them out!

Anchor: Physician On Fire: Our Drawdown Plan in Early Retirement
Link 1: The Retirement Manifesto: Our Retirement Investment Drawdown Strategy
Link 2: OthalaFehu: Retirement Master Plan
Link 3: Plan.Invest.Escape: Drawdown vs. Wealth Preservation in Early Retirement
Link 4: Freedom Is Groovy: The Groovy Drawdown Strategy
Link 5: The Green Swan:  The Nastiest, Hardest Problem In Finance:  Decumulation
Link 6: My Curiosity Lab:  Show Me The Money: My Retirement Drawdown Plan 
Link 7: Cracking Retirement: Our Drawdown Strategy
Link 8: The Financial Journeyman: Early Retirement Portfolio & Plan
Link 9: Retire by 40: Our Unusual Early Retirement Withdrawal Strategy
Link 10: Early Retirement Now:  The ERN Family Early Retirement Captial Preservation Plan
Link 11: 39 Months: Mr. 39 Months Drawdown Plan
Link 12:  7 Circles:  Drawdown Strategy – Joining The Chain Gang

If you’d like to join the chain, then share your withdrawal strategy and tweet with #DrawdownStrategy. Then add these links above and new posts on the chain. I’ll check Twitter periodically and keep this list updated.

 

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  • Michael @ Financially Alert June 26, 2017, 12:31 am

    Joe, I really like how you distinguish a Holdfast Phase. This is where I’m also operating in currently as an early retiree. I couldn’t imagine trying to do a full retirement phase yet and accessing any principal. My intention is to remain in the Holdfast Phase indefinitely once we can accumulate enough passive income to support beyond our typical living expenses… we need some more rental properties! 😉

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 7:54 am

      It’d be great if we can remain in the Holdfast phase indefinitely, but it will be harder when we’re old. We’ll have a lot more healthcare expenses and maybe long term care problems. I’d be very happy if we can maintain it for 20 years.

  • Mr. Tako June 26, 2017, 12:54 am

    Hi Joe! I really like the idea of your “holdfast” stage. That’s where I’m at right now — Not working, but our net worth keeps growing.

    The question for me is — Will I ever enter that “full retirement” phase? I’ve thought really hard about it, and I don’t see it happening until I’m physically incapable of doing something “productive”.

    I think it’s smart to plan for this to happen at *any time*. What if you suddenly couldn’t earn and online income? Would you have enough?

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 7:57 am

      I agree with you on full retirement. Even if we stop working, I’m sure will keep busy with volunteering and other projects.
      We should be able to go full retirement if we need to. We’re just being conservative. It’d be nice to have some assets left for the future generations so we’ll stay in the holdfast phase as long as we can.

    • Tony July 3, 2017, 12:43 am

      Yep, me too – I don’t see that semi-retirement phase ending, but that’s more by design I think. (Semi-) Retiring at 55 early next year. I will keep doing the occasional contract gig (3 to 6 months) – with long gaps in between. Too much fun stuff to do…

  • Ernie Zelinski June 26, 2017, 1:57 am

    I’m fortunate. I just turned 68 so I am past that 65 retirement milestone. I had my best year ever for pretax income in 2015 with it dropping somewhat in 2016. But 2017 appears like it will be better than in 2016 and possibly even better than in 2015. What’s more, I am thinking about writing and self-publishing more books which will bring even more residual income. This I will not be doing for the extra money. I am being motivated by people saying that I am “lucky” to have had three true bestsellers (each selling over 100,000 copies in print) and having the residual income that I have. I want to prove to them that I can create two more true bestsellers with big monetary payoffs and show it has absolutely nothing to do with luck. (It has everything to do with critical thinking skills, creative thinking skills, plain common sense, and inspired action.)

    So, I may also not ever reach the full retirement phase. But that is a good thing because I will always have financially rewarding and emotionally satisfying projects to work on, even if it’s only one or two hours a day.

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 8:01 am

      That’s a great goal! I’m sure you can do it.
      I don’t look forward to full retirement either. It’s better to stay busy with a project.

    • Adam and Jane June 26, 2017, 7:23 pm

      Ernie,
      You live a life that many people may envy. YOU and only YOU created intellectual properties that generate passive income which allows you to live a good and free life. You don’t need their accolads to validate your accomplishments.

      Don’t let these people get to you. If they say that you are lucky then does that mean they are unlucky? If so then I rather be “lucky”.

      Maybe you are “lucky” to live in Canada and not a 3rd country which gave you the chance to reach your potential.

      Maybe you are “lucky” that they lit a fire in your belly so that you are now motivated to write 2 new books and then you can rub it into their faces!

      I think I am lucky that I was born in America instead of village in China like my parents. Life is tough there. Maybe it is luck that I work in the same company for the last 30 years and where I met my wife. Maybe my wife and I are lucky to have pensions, 401Ks, muni bond interest that provides passive income 3x our expenses at age 52. In my mind, it was a tough 30 years and it took a lot of aggressive blunt force savings and sacrifice for retirement. If people think that I am lucky then so be it. I believe in good karma and destiny.

      Their words are just meaningless static and should be ignored. I say who cares, enjoy your life and avoid negative people unless you want to write more bestsellers!! 😉

      Another way to look at it, is that many people misuse the word “lucky” in place of the word “fortunate”.

      Adam

  • The Green Swan June 26, 2017, 2:25 am

    Welcome to the Drawdown Chain! I like your approach and the flexibility the hold fast stage offers. I can definitely see the benefit vs going hard and heavy until early retirement. Now you can work a little and still enjoy living life to the fullest!

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 8:02 am

      Thanks! That’s the key. Work a little and enjoy life. Many people do that while they are young, but that’s not the right approach. I like my approach better.

    • John July 3, 2017, 12:59 pm

      This method seems more natural too. Rather than working too much and then retiring, a gradual fade out seems more natural.

      It also eases some of the financial uncertainties of such a long retirement.

  • Jay June 26, 2017, 4:58 am

    Thanks for sharing your approach to early retirement. I think breaking it up into phases like this is a great model that others can use too. I’m going to give it some thought for my own situation!

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 8:06 am

      This model works well for careers with income that ramp up early. Engineers is paid well early, but many hit a ceiling before they’re 40. Good luck!

  • Mr. Freaky Frugal June 26, 2017, 5:04 am

    The Holdfast Phase is an interesting idea. I like it.

    I FIREd at 52 in 2012. My basic plan is to under spend in retirement. I use CFiresim to figure out what Mrs. Freaky Frugal and I can afford to spend assuming we live to 98 with a 100% probability of success. We are under spending by over $30K per year which I view as our safety margin.

    This strategy allows me to sleep well at night. 🙂

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 8:07 am

      I like your strategy. We’ll probably do that at full retirement as well. I don’t feel that we need to spend all our saving. Anything left over will help our kid.

    • Kevin @39months.com June 27, 2017, 11:25 am

      Sounds like a great strategy. Hope I can get something close to this in a couple of years. Congrats!

  • Apathy Ends June 26, 2017, 5:27 am

    Thanks for the write up and links Joe – I like how you break down your accumulation graph and its impressive you are going to be able to live off RB40 and passive income for so many years while letting investment accounts grow.

    We are still in the accumulation phase and will be for awhile – not thinking about withdrawal strategies for years

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 8:08 am

      Right, that’s why I didn’t go into a lot of detail in the full drawdown phase. It’s way off for us and there will be a ton of changes.

  • Grant @ Life Prep Couple June 26, 2017, 5:53 am

    I believe you are in an almost ideal position. Having your expenses covered by passive or semi passive income while being “retired”. You are certainly going to have a massive net worth by the time you are 65.

    Have you ever considered selling your rental properties and buying more dividend stocks? It seems like you could sell them and make $10,000 a year with less stress and worry about tenants. Not sure what they are worth and what you might owe but that seems easier.

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 9:40 am

      We will probably sell off our rentals by the time we get to 65. Not in a hurry right now because the property price is still increasing. It will a lot easier if I don’t have to worry about the rentals.

  • FromUSA June 26, 2017, 6:31 am

    “Rental income – This one is tough. In a good year, we make about $10,000 from our rentals. However, one big maintenance expenses can cut that in half or more.”

    I wonder if you would be better off if instead of owning rental properties, you just put that money into buying dividend aristocrat indexes. There are the hard numbers, but of course, there are also the intangibles, such as the fact that owning properties takes much more *time* and you would constantly have to *worry* about upkeep and maintenance. It would also make it logistically cumbersome to relocate or just go on a long vacation (e.g., traveling around the world). It’s difficult to quantify the value of *peace of mind* that owning stocks would give you.

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 9:41 am

      We will sell off our rentals gradually. I don’t want to be a landlord when I’m 65. 🙂

  • Sam @ Financial Samurai June 26, 2017, 6:35 am

    I always love the charts. I like your chart, and those that were put together but the other guys.

    My plan is to never drawdown unless I absolutely have to. So in other words, always try to make more than I spend. It’ll be a fun challenge, and something I hope will be good for my child, my wife and others in need when it comes time for me to pass.

    It’s too fun right now. But maybe I will think differently after reaching the 10 year mark in blogging in 2019!

    Sam

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 9:42 am

      Thanks! I enjoyed making the charts too. It’s much easier to understand with some visual aid.
      You built up enough wealth to be at that point already. We’re slower so I’m not sure if we will ever get there. Drawing down is okay with me. 🙂

  • The Grounded Engineer June 26, 2017, 6:51 am

    It’s interesting for me to watch your journey as I lag behind you by about 10 years. I’m in the accumulation mode right now. One big item that will impact our early retirement date is figuring out when my wife will go back to work. Our daughter is 9 months old and we plan to have one more child. Therefore, we are about 2 to 3 years from my wife going back to work. We plan to save all of her income, and I hope she gets a job with the state so we can max out a 401(k) and 457! Saving a minimum of $36k/year from her income will drastically pull in our early retirement date!

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 9:44 am

      That sounds like a plan. Good luck! Hopefully, you wife will be able to find a great job she likes.

  • Adam and Jane June 26, 2017, 7:10 am

    Joe,

    Sounds good. Great job at in planning your retirements. To be in the safe side, have your incomes covers 150% before Mrs. RB40 retired. When you both retire, I would think your expenses will increase unless you are both home bodies. You will probably travel more and overall spend more to further enjoy your life. You will need to replace big ticket items like a car, roof, world travel, etc.

    I am still working just to reach 55 in a bit over two years so that I can double my pension to 70K and to receive 8K for healthcare. I consider myself “semi-retired” working at home 10-20 hours a week. It is a race against time for me to reach 55 before the company outsources the systems that I support. If I am let go before 55 without a severance then so be it. At least, I gave it a shot to double my pension.

    Our muni bond income is 87K for this year and Jane just applied for her 52K pension. Our expenses were 40-45K for the last 7 years by holding back on many purchases. I feel that we are now in good financial shape and at this stage we do not have to accumulate any more. As a result, we loosen up a bit and spent 20K plus more so far this year. I spent over 5K on my hobbies, 3K for Jane’s new Apple gadgets and clothes, 4.5K for her medical. Just went to Alaska and blew 8-9K on this bucket list item.

    Since I worry too much, does your numbers include 3% inflation and 8% for healthcare yearly increases?

    Healthcare can be very expensive. Jane was laid off in 2016. Since she was over 50 and had 30 years of service, the company gives her 8K a year only towards the company healthcare plan, Aetna. In 2016, Jane’s Aetna premium out of pocket was 3K (11K – 8K) a year. In 2017, Jane’s out of pocket is $4.5K (12.5K-8K) a year. In a couple of years, it will probably be 15K for her healthcare before her 8K allowance.

    Adam

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 10:04 pm

      It’s great that you have such a solid income. Really nice job. I think 150% is going to be tough for us. Our income can fluctuate a lot so it might be anywhere from 80% to 150%. It really depends on the year. A bit below 100% is okay because we can withdraw a little.
      Healthcare is really a huge problem. We’ll need to keep an eye on that one. No, I didn’t budget 8% annual increase for it. That’s ridiculous. Healthcare is much more affordable in other countries so that’s one option for us.

      • Adam and Jane June 27, 2017, 3:55 am

        Joe,

        You and your wife seem to have a passion for cooking and traveling. Would it be possible for you to create a new website or incorporate into this site and grow some additional income from it. The pictures of food that you made just makes my mouth water! I think you and the misses may enjoy blogging on food and travel. Maybe you can also review restaurants around your area and where you travel too, to grow more followers. There are a lot of foodies out there.

        If not food and travel then is there anything else that you and Mrs. RB40 are passionate about that can be turned into a side hustle?

        Adam

        • retirebyforty June 28, 2017, 5:56 pm

          We don’t have time to create a new site. It’s a lot of work. There are so many good food sites already. I’m thinking about making a new travel site when we go on our around the world trip. I’ll make my kid carry that one and he can be the main voice. That will be a great learning experience for him.

  • Fritz @ TheRetirementManifesto June 26, 2017, 7:41 am

    Joe, I love the “visualization” of the early retirement “phases” in the charts. A great addition to the Drawdown Strategy chain! Thanks for joining The Chain Gang!!

  • freebird June 26, 2017, 7:42 am

    If the blue line in your chart peaks at 25x expenses, then its decayrate on the right side seems pessimistic, no? Drawing it down to zero in 25 years would mean that your portfolio return rate just matches inflation. Perhaps realistic if you’re heavy into CDs and light on stocks, in which case maybe you’d rather buy an SPIA (annuity) for lifetime income?

    My plan is a variable withdrawal rate that starts with lots of cushion. Basically I pay myself two and twenty for self-managing my portfolio (so maybe I’m not retired after all?). The benefit is that it can’t deplete to zero, but the drawback is potentially large income fluctuations. I’m already used to this, and the cure is the same as it ever was– underspending. Like the 20% of marked-to-market annual growth I don’t plan to spend that same year, it’ll feed my cash reserve.

    So with this scheme and assuming stock returns exceed inflation by a couple of percent, my blue line’s right side should look similar to your holdfast phase– a slightly upward sloping line.

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 10:06 pm

      This charts are just visual aid. It will be different for everyone so I just made a simple chart.
      I like paying yourself the management fee. That’s a great idea.

  • Mr. PIE June 26, 2017, 7:53 am

    Enjoyed this read, Joe. I completely agree that a drawdown strategy makes most sense when the person is closer to retirement. i.e within 2 years. They evolve over time and I have no doubt our own plan will get tweaked a little over the next year.

    I echo the comments of Adam and Jane in healthcare costs being a major piece of the expense. Planning for all that is hard but a big buffer will surely help. With a family, you do not want to short-change healthcare so find a very robust plan and don’t regret for a minute paying for what is the most important thing for you and your family.

    The 150% number from Adam and Jane is not unreasonable at all. Conservative, yes. But smart.

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 10:09 pm

      Healthcare will change over the next few years so we’ll put that off. It’s no use to figure that out now. We’ll just have to keep an eye on it and figure it out when the time comes. 150% is pretty hard to crack…

  • Mr Crazy Kicks June 26, 2017, 8:13 am

    Being conservative, I’m a fan of the hold-fast strategy. I’m confident in our portfolio, but it’s nice not having to draw from it. Mrs CK still earns more money than we need, and we are still able to invest some 🙂

  • Done by Forty June 26, 2017, 9:14 am

    I think having some solid side income, as you do with the blog and the rentals, really takes things that are already pretty safe like the 4% rule, and makes them fairly ironclad.

    My plan is to stay fairly flexible in the first 10 years of early retirement: be open to earning income if it’s something I enjoy (internet retirement police be damned), being open to saving money in areas that make sense, and, gasp, even going back to work if it turns out I kind of miss it. I figure without a crystal ball for what FIRE will look like at first, that’ll help.

    As for draw downs, the vast majority of our funds are in taxable accounts now, just due to the missus not having a 401k: most of what we invest exceeds the limits of my meager 401k, HSA, and her IRA. So I think our draw down is going to be pretty boring, but we’ll also use the 5 year Roth conversion plan to move our funds from the 401k and Traditional IRAs in a tax efficient manner.

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 10:10 pm

      The big challenge is to keep it up for 20 years… Even 10 years would put us in a great position. WE’ll see how it goes.
      It’s nice that most of your funds are in the taxable accounts. That makes withdrawal much easier.

  • Al June 26, 2017, 10:23 am

    Great topic! Early retirement to me is any time before 65. All early retirees face the same dilemas whether they reired at 40, 50, or 60. Of course, those retiring at 40 have a bigger task than those at 60 since as you pointed out their monies have to last longer. Semi-retired is not really retired as your withdrawls are not in full force. This is the reason a lot of financial planners recommend postponement of social security benefits until either FRA or age 70 to max your benefit.

    FI is a necessary for but not sufficient condition for retirement so they are not equivalent. Other factors play a role including age.

    With only 20% of the population making over $100K, the multiplier for FI can be as low as 8x your salary. Noticed salary is not equal to expenses which brings me to other factors to consider not addressed here such as taxes and inflation but the most dangerous one is deflation. What do I mean?

    Taxes, are taxes lower or higher now than in the future? Most would agree now are lower so it makes sense to pay now in the early parts of retirement when your taxable income is low.

    Our combined state and federal effective tax rate for 2016 was 7% and we live in California. What was yours? This could troublesome for 40 something retirees.

    Inflation, it costs more to live. How to manage expenditures and inflation. In order for your monies to last, inflation must be factor at an average of 3.5% per year. We been below the average, nevertheless, this monster will show his head sooner than later. We cut in insurance coverages, premium cable, eating out, and other discretionary expenditures such as quantity of food for health reasons.

    Last but not least is deflation. This one again uglier for yonger retirees as they have to account for more car, personal goods, and home remodels replacements.
    40 something retirees need to buy with a lifetime usage in mind. In the case of a car as an example, new would make sense since there is more time to recover the imvestment. Example is our 2003 Suburban with 290K miles and looks good and runs better. Timely maintenance pays off.

    Lastly, run the numbers for 50 years. Not 40 or 30. Population is living longer. Right now people entering retirement at 65 plan for 30 years.

    My point here is that the factors and trades are the same. Earlier retirees need to plan more of it. For example, before I retired, I worked part time for a year and took a leave of absence for another year. Called it, the exit plan..LOL!

  • Tawcan June 26, 2017, 10:48 am

    This makes a lot of sense and is roughly inline with what we have in mind. Love your term of “Holdfast phase.” What happens if your passive income grow so much during your holdfast phase that you don’t need to withdraw from your portfolio at all? Any plans if that happens?

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 10:13 pm

      That would be ideal. It’s not a problem at all so I don’t have any plan for that situation. 🙂

  • Physician on FIRE June 26, 2017, 11:06 am

    It’s great to see you joining in the #DrawdownStrategy chain, Joe.

    I would love to see us enter more of a holdfast phase rather than a drawdown phase. I alluded to the possibility in the closing paragraphs, but really any additional income from online endeavors is icing on the retirement cake.

    Cheers!
    -PoF

  • SMM June 26, 2017, 11:15 am

    I like the early retiring idea and still able to capture some passive and active income in the process. It’ll help to continue to grow that nest egg and have the benefit of a semi-retirement. We still have a loooonnnngggggg way to go as we’re in the accumulating stage.

    • retirebyforty June 28, 2017, 5:49 pm

      I think it’s great that you have a lot of time to plan and work on it. Many people put it off too long.

  • Amber tree June 26, 2017, 11:55 am

    Thx for you withdrawl plan. It articulates what I have in mind for my FI life: make sure we have income to cover our expenses. In my case, it is probably doing what I do now.

    The term holdfast is nice for that.

    • retirebyforty June 26, 2017, 10:14 pm

      That’s great to hear. It took me a while to come up with holdfast. It has a nice ring. 🙂

  • Dave June 26, 2017, 12:08 pm

    Thanks for joining the #DrawdownStrategy Chain.

    It is amazing that you were able to retire from a career in engineering at such a young age.

    Your plan looks solid.

    Plus you have many different income streams and great diversification.

    I hope you enjoy your very long retirement.

    Best,
    Dave

  • capitalcalc June 26, 2017, 12:23 pm

    I like Holdfast phase idea for early retirees. It is a warm up period to have a feel of retirement and make any changes in the strategies if needed. It is sort of swimming in the shallow water before tackling deep water.

    • retirebyforty June 28, 2017, 5:50 pm

      I think the Holdfast phase is really great. It’s much better than an erupt transition to retirement. Everyone should plan for 5-10 years in the Holdfast phase.

  • Your First Million June 26, 2017, 12:35 pm

    My goal is not to have to “withdraw” money for retirement. My plan is to have a portfolio of assets that generate income that I can live on (my favorite is multifamily real estate). That way I will never have the possibility of running out or even cutting it close. We never know how long we are going to live.

    Plus I want to be able to pass down those assets to my children when I do eventually pass. There are certainly different perspectives on retirement.

    • retirebyforty June 28, 2017, 5:51 pm

      That’s a great goal! I’d love that too, but I’m not sure if we can do it.
      The one problem is that it means you’ll have to work longer. That’s okay if you like your job.

  • Dr. Curious June 26, 2017, 12:36 pm

    This has been a very useful exercise for me in so many ways—especially spying on the other plans!

    I plan to support our “holdfast” phase by working part-time basically until I don’t feel like doing it anymore. (Doesn’t sound like much of a plan when I write it down, eek.)

    My efforts so far have focused on accumulation to the neglect of drawdown, but methinks it’s time to sit down and have “the drawdown talk” with my wife. That time is approaching more quickly than I anticipated, and it’s a good thing!

    Dr. C

  • Mrs. Groovy June 26, 2017, 12:49 pm

    Happy to see you become another link in the chain, Joe! Your message of a two step approach is very important. I wouldn’t depend on the 25x expenses theory if I had another 50 years to live. I believe flexibility, as you mentioned, is the secret sauce. And you’re doing a wonderful job creating options for yourself. Having the means to adjust your drawdown strategy, lower your expenses, and/or increase your income, are all excellent risk-protectors.
    Thanks for all the details and a great post!

    • retirebyforty June 28, 2017, 5:52 pm

      Thanks! I appreciate your input. Being flexible really is the key.

  • Living the Dream June 26, 2017, 12:52 pm

    I’m 65 and retired at 56. One thing I found astonishing in your graphs was that the X axis only went out to 80 years old. In my opinion any reasonable retirement plan should extend to at least age 90 and probably 95. These used to be extraordinary ages but there are many more people living this long today. If your plan exhausts all of your assets at age 80 what is the next step if you’re unlucky enough to still be alive?? The black capsule I suppose!

    • retirebyforty June 28, 2017, 5:53 pm

      The graph is just examples. Everyone’s chart will look different so I didn’t try to make it accurate. But you’re right. I should stretch it to 95..

  • LazySod June 26, 2017, 2:02 pm

    nice post. i recommend the blog “my money design” as another example of draw down plan. it´s the one the inspired me to build up mine in more detail.

  • Tim Kim @ Tub of Cash June 26, 2017, 3:57 pm

    I like it. It’s in a way, partial retirement leading up to full retirement. You have a lot of buckets of income, so that seems like a very feasible method for you and your family Joe. Personally for me, I don’t see myself ever retiring because I enjoy working because it brings a certain level of satisfaction and fulfillment. But I can see myself jumping around working on different passion projects. And part of what makes it fun is seeing the financial rewards from something you build from scratch. But if I do that, it might be defined as “early retirement” since I would be quitting my full time job at my current employer. But at the same time, I would still be working 60-80 hours a week. Because that’s just how I am wired. I get antsy.

    • retirebyforty June 28, 2017, 5:54 pm

      Yes, it’s is a partial retirement. Which is much better than full retirement when you’re young. You need to have goals and be active at this age.
      Maybe you’ll mellow out as you get older. 🙂

  • Dividend Diplomats June 26, 2017, 6:09 pm

    Thanks for sharing your strategy here. I think this a pretty darn realistic approach. I always envision an early retirement strategy where I am also accumulating wealth for a stage. It wasn’t going to turn into a drastic cut-off, where suddenly I stop earning revenue all together and just withdraw funds from my account. I am working on putting this plan together, and I will continue to draw/estimate the end game, but this is very, very much in line with what I have been brainstorming.

    Thanks for the read and the links to other articles.

    Bert

  • Kevin @39months.com June 27, 2017, 11:21 am

    Great article and a lot of information. Thanks for showing us your plans, so we can use the lessons learned. I’m still working out how I want to do this, thought I’m 3+ years out.

  • Diva Q June 27, 2017, 12:04 pm

    I’ve reached FI for a few years now but still continue to work because I have an easy job. I’m planning on paying down the mortgage on my 2nd rental in 5 years and 2 more years after my finance (soon to be husband) will pay down his, which we’re living in right now. We’re planning to stop working by then if we don’t feel like working anymore. We’ll then have 4 properties between the 2 of us, 1 is our primary resident, 2 are rental, 1 that my parents are living in currently. We expect to collect about $6k of gross rental, after taxes and expenses, maybe we’d still have $3.5k per month for spending money. My fiance will be at his job for over 30 years and should be collecting a good lump sum or monthly pension payments.

    Therefore, we might not need to withdraw from our savings.

    • retirebyforty June 28, 2017, 5:59 pm

      That’s great! I love your plan. Rentals are great investments and helped many people retire early.

  • Dividend Growth Investor June 27, 2017, 2:33 pm

    Nice to read about retirement withdrawal strategy Joe. I would think that even when Mrs RB40 retires in 2020, your assets will spit out enough dividends, rents, other passive income, that you may see yourself in a holdfast phase for the rest of your lives ( may they be long and happy)

    What I mean is that your dividend incomes (and other investment income) from taxable and retirement accounts will likely grow over time, you may end up earning more than you spend ( meaning you will end up saving money in retirement). Plus, in about 15 – 20 years you will start earning Social Security too..

    We personally plan to live off dividend income when we decide to retire. The money is in taxable and tax deferred accounts, accessing the dividend income is not that difficult really.
    I look forward to reading where your journey takes you next!

    DGI

  • Someguy June 27, 2017, 3:54 pm

    I love your blog RB40, great to have somewhere like minded people can come together and chat

    I just wanted to say that, since taking a rough stab at very early semi retirement at 34 things haven’t gone as planned. They went much better! I genuinely feel blessed to say that I started my own business that kinda took off and now earn twice what I ever have working full time, while working just a few days per week.. and I like it. So, now able to live well and save a more reliable sum for later without hating every second of my job (which inturn boils down to hating your life)

    Life is pretty good. My main goal now is to live happily, with enough free time to still feel semi retired and enough money to do the things I desire. We plan to fully ‘retire’ from compulsory work in another few years and begin full time travelling. For now we travel moderately for short periods

    Anyhow, thanks again for your excellent blog. It gives hope to many

  • Martin Stone June 27, 2017, 8:55 pm

    Great article again Joe. Having saved almost 25 times income, I have been retired for 2.5 years now at 54. The main income generating accounts are holding flat as the dividends we take out match the overall growth. At 55 I can start taking from a small pension and at 65 or so I will start social security. At some point we can also take from our tax and tax deferred accounts. As each of these incomes kicks in, we can take less from the main investments and if my calculations are correct it grows and grows over the years to a very big number.

    Moral of the story – If you nest egg is big enough, it doesn’t go down, it keeps on going up! I love compound interest!

  • Tyrone June 30, 2017, 7:17 pm

    Hi Joe,

    First time caller, long time fan. In terms of your investment property, why not sell it and put it in a REIT ETF or follow Warren Buffett’s recent purchase of STOR which pays a 5% dividend?

  • Great Indian Retiree July 4, 2017, 11:20 pm

    Wonderful to see how you’ve modified traditional withdrawal methods to suit your own specific life stage and goals. Wish you all the best as always.

  • Diana July 10, 2017, 9:57 pm

    Great article, Joe!
    We all need to be realistic about our retirement date. Even if we want to work longer, we may not get the opportunity to because of the labor market is constantly changing.

    It is good to have three to six months worth of expenses saved in an emergency fund to serve as a safety net during lean times. This could not just cover unexpected expenses, but could also make up for lost income due to illness or layoffs.

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